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The “Gendered” Intersex Brain

February 21, 2011

is this what intersex people are saying?  really?  because the american journal of human biology reports that “as many as 2% of live births” are intersex, worldwide.*  this is a significant minority.  yet, we do not see 2% of people, worldwide, claiming that they feel like nothing.

and if you are biologically intersex, but identify as either male or female…you would actually be trans.  wouldnt you?  even if you didnt know you were intersex.  and many people dont.

also, if all the trans who claim they are intersex, were really intersex…and if their brains were supposed to match their (intersex) bodies…they wouldnt feel like the opposite.  they would feel like nothing.  or perhaps both, i dont know.

* i have heard both 6% and between 6-10%.  but i went with the first link i could find.  its still significant.  2% of approximately 6 billion people worldwide is 120,000,000.  thats one-hundred-and-twenty-million.

  1. FAB Libber permalink
    February 21, 2011 7:07 pm

    I saw your comment at Noanodyne’s, and thought in was spot on.

  2. Sargassosea permalink
    February 21, 2011 7:14 pm

    Ah, nice. Simple.

    You could almost put it on a teenie widdle spoon and feed it to them.

  3. February 21, 2011 7:30 pm

    thanks! i am not intentionally derailing with trans-shit i swear! but trans-stuff is very amenable to diagramming, because it doesnt make any fucking sense, at all. and its just not that complicated.

  4. FAB Libber permalink
    February 21, 2011 7:47 pm

    GallusMag’s post today describes it as “A house of linguistic cards built on top of a mirage. ”
    And it is brilliant that we are dismantling this house of cards, bit by bit. I am tempted to say “fish in a barrel”.

    The whole “feel like a woman inside” was their first main (probably only) argument. It was difficult to unpack at first, because everyone’s feelings are only truly known to themselves. But radfems thought about it a bit, and realised that none of us FAABs “feel like a woman”, so if the default group don’t “feel” that way, how could the interlopers? When this was revealed, trans maintained they only said it in order to get SRS (how many radfems are the providers of SRS???), so very little reason to use the line on radfems.

  5. February 21, 2011 9:28 pm

    the plot thickens! at noanodynes they note that teh trans are known to inflate the numbers of intersex. which isnt really a surprise is it? apparently, the trans believe that the HIGHER the number of intersex, the BETTER it is, for them. for teh trans. but even with inflated numbers, it doesnt mean what they think they means. see the above graphic. there is NO STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT GROUP WORLDWIDE that identifies as neither-male-nor-female. and the trans themselves do not identify as neither. they identify as “the opposite” even as many of them claim that they, themselves, are intersex, and that the existance of intersex supports their trans agenda. it doesnt.

  6. February 21, 2011 10:23 pm

    also, its a neat rewriting of history, and some impressive backpedaling, to now say that this whole “i feel like a woman” business isnt really what they meant. julia serrano is very clear that this is exactly what she i mean HE means (the submissive streak? PLEASE!) we had 2 transwomen come and speak in a sexuality class i took in college, and they both said they “always felt like women.” this was 15 years ago now, and the smartie pants academic online-trans hadnt had a chance to start spin doctoring everything yet. they were telling the truth, as they saw it. one of the women in the class asked him “well what does a woman feel like? i am a woman, and i dont feel like one.” the transwoman said “well, i just really never felt like a man.” woman being the garbage-dump for all gender-nonconforming and castrated males of course.

    and as ms. andrea asked on the recent IBTP blowout, if they dont feel like women, why are they trying to become women? this is an excellent question, as all her questions are. why not just become eunuchs? the female hormones could be written off as recreational drug use i suppose…but explain the neovag? and explain why they demand to be called “she” and referred to as women, and not men, or castrated men, or still-bepenised men in dresses, or eunuchs?

  7. February 21, 2011 10:42 pm

    the alternative of course is that they HAVE been lying all this time, or that they are lying now, to get their SRS, just like they said. in which case, all of these trans-critical posts and the above graph will be most useful to the fun-fems, who have fucking believed all transwomens shit this entire time, and actually convinced themselves that it made sense. when it clearly doesnt.

    what do the fun-fems say, when the transwomen admit that they have been lying the whole time, just to get their SRS? when in fact (as FAB libber mentions) its not the FEMINISTS who are giving out SRS. so why lie to us?

    what excuse would the fun-fems make for transwomen who admit they have been lying to them the whole time? say that it was all just “survival lies” and forgive them? what excuse do they allow just regular (non-trans) men who lie to women constantly too?

    damn this shit is chilling. it really fucking is.

  8. February 21, 2011 11:22 pm

    The sexed self, or sexed sense of self, is a delusion. Even if you look at it from a Buddhist or mentempsychosis perspective (since when logic is out they will revert to esoterism), souls pass through many bodies, retaining no qualities from the bodies they passed through. I’ve never heard of a human male who feels like a female cow for example(and some would exist according to this model). Ok, technically the otherkins exist, but they use wayyy more speshul animals (no one is ever the soul of a leech in a human body), and are even more delusional. And when I said I felt neither male nor female, many in trans camp thought I was “genderqueer”. Uh no, I’m just real.

  9. February 21, 2011 11:26 pm

    Though, a correction, many trans people imagine a “cis” intersex to feel like being BOTH male and female. Neither is agender or neutrois or something.

  10. FAB Libber permalink
    February 21, 2011 11:37 pm

    what excuse would the fun-fems make for transwomen who admit they have been lying to them the whole time? say that it was all just “survival lies” and forgive them? what excuse do they allow just regular (non-trans) men who lie to women constantly too?

    damn this shit is chilling. it really fucking is.

    Yes chilling. Common denominator = males lying…
    don’t care if they like the colour pink and played with barbies. It does not a female make.

  11. February 21, 2011 11:38 pm

    well…human intersex arent able to impregnate themselves, so i think they are NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE, not both male AND female.

    but even so, why are the trans who claim to be intersex, using it to support their claim that they feel like “the opposite”? and NOT that they feel like BOTH? they just cannot keep their own shit straight, at all.

  12. FAB Libber permalink
    February 22, 2011 12:25 am

    Revisiting the lying theme again (why would they lie to us?). I think it is one of those instances again where they use our strengths/virtues against us (like I said over at FCM’s). Feminists are generally willing to help/listen (many volunteer IRL), and trans lie to us to enlist our aid and support, they lie because they can, and we are likely to believe them or give them the benefit of the doubt.

  13. Jilla permalink
    February 22, 2011 2:07 am

    OT: kinda

    Is there any way you can shut off Google Ads. This is what’s right under your post/graphic.

    “Ads by Google
    What Attracts Men
    9 Dangerous Mistakes Women Make That Men Find Totally Unattractive”

    WordPress doesn’t do this. I don’t think… .

  14. February 22, 2011 2:13 am

    not sure what you are seeing jilla. wordpress is ad-free (unless you are a big-time blog) and i dont see the ad you are describing.

  15. Jilla permalink
    February 22, 2011 2:15 am

    I don’t see it now either. But I have seen similar on other feminist blogs. Maybe it’s just when you log in. I’ll try to figure it out.

    I run a virus checker real time, and once a day full.

  16. February 22, 2011 2:31 am

    also, i will find it HILARIOUS if teh trans have indeed chosen to define “intersex” as being BOTH male AND female. thats really convenient isnt it? instead of defining intersex as neither? thats why i like graphing these things, it gets the criteria right out in the open, so they can be discussed.

    so…according to them, are those intersex humans that cannot reproduce at all “BOTH MALE AND FEMALE” in the same way as an earthworm is both male and female, and can actually produce sperm AND eggs, and be impregnated as well as impregnate? they are both, BOTH? where the human has a severe birth defect, but the worm is completely healthy and in its normal state? really?

  17. Jilla permalink
    February 22, 2011 2:36 am

    It’s definitely connected to Google search somehow. I’ve switched to Yahoo. Sorry for the derail. The first ad was very disturbing.

  18. Feuerwerferin permalink
    February 22, 2011 9:15 am

    I have read a very good book about the male soul (psychologically speaking). Trans(“women”) do have typically male fantasies (what a surprise!) and men do feel like men. Their whole identity is phallocentric. It is a pars pro toto phenomenon and it has no female equivalent! Of course not, men are dicks but women are not their genitalia. But men have projection bias against women (which is more than obvious…) and they reduce us to our genitalia as they do with themselves. The author doesn’t deal much with trans (except for male fantasies) but all the rest is telling. That is why they imagine to feel like women and imagine that women feel like women. The author is Rolf Pohl but he probably hasn’t been translated yet (and he is critical of pornography and prostitution).

  19. February 22, 2011 12:39 pm

    i would also like to clarify that the 19 radfems who say they “feel like humans” is NOT the same thing as saying that we “feel like nothing.” in this “gendered brain” business there is no third category. there are only 2 categories: either your brain is gendered female, or its gendered male. if its not either one of those things, then i believe that it would be NOTHING. the complete absence of “feeling like” anything. i dont think its the same thing as what the radfems report feeling, and its not represented by this gendered-brain dichotomy, which is why i didnt include it.

  20. February 22, 2011 1:13 pm

    It’s true that there is no third category in this gendered brain business. Which actually demonstrates how anyone who believes that brains are really gendered is upholding a false dichotomy. Except the pomo queer theorists have wormed their way out of that one with their concept of being “genderqueer”. Frankly, it’s a load of crap. No one is “genderqueer” because society does not make any allowance for genderqueerness. Even transgender theory (yeah – THEORY, and a shitty one at that) does not actually allow for genderqueerness.

    But still, the transgenders (go gallusmag!) and the genderqueers are still friends, cause they never actually discuss this shit in any depth. If they did, the obvious discrepancies would arise and the whole queer alliance would implode.

    great post btw, FCM

  21. February 22, 2011 4:51 pm

    Miska, totally agree that the alliance is extremely tenuous. If they ever sat down to discuss any of this, as you say, the discrepancies would overtake whatever common ground they are pretending to have. Therefore, it seems to me that they have just formed some kind of apolitical freakshow, just for the sake of forming one. Which reeks of immaturity and excess leisure time, but of course it would, being comprised largely of western college students. The queers more so than the trans perhaps.

    In reality, trans is very much opposed to nonbinary gender, and nonbinary sex too. It would be nice if they would just get honest about their true beliefs and agendas, but the trans are largely MAABs who want something, and we all know that MAABs will lie, cheat, steal, and murder to get what they want, and they always have.

  22. FAB Libber permalink
    February 22, 2011 5:26 pm

    they have just formed some kind of apolitical freakshow
    ROTFLMAO, so true.

  23. thebewilderness permalink
    February 22, 2011 11:12 pm

    I think their political agenda is perfectly clear.
    Trans umbrella covers a range of humanity. Cis are the extreme outliers.
    They have simply replaced man as the default human with Trans as the default human.

    Everyman wants to be king.

  24. February 23, 2011 2:13 am

    yes, i guess its clear if you just ignore all teh trans attempts to EXPLAIN it (which are just lies anyway) and just watch them in action. teh fun-fems and gender queers are committing the dire misjudgement of listening to them when they talk. did i say talk? i meant trans-splain.

    they all really need to wake up though. i mean really. the trans are really making everyone else under their UMBRELLA look dumb. which is really saying something!

  25. February 23, 2011 12:14 pm

    Bwahaha – transplanation.

    That has inspired me to make a new graphic. Stay tuned.

  26. February 23, 2011 12:29 pm

    I just said “really” in 4 sentences in a row. Really!

    Can’t wait to see your next post miska. That would be so great if we end up inspiring each other to create new graphics. That’s called synergy baby! I think.

  27. February 23, 2011 12:31 pm

    BTW, I didn’t invent trans-splain. I lifted it off the interwebs somewhere.

  28. FAB Libber permalink
    February 23, 2011 1:29 pm

    Transplain, well it is the exact same thing as mansplain, but in a dress and some lippy.

  29. Sargassosea permalink
    February 23, 2011 4:45 pm


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  31. SheilaG permalink
    February 25, 2011 7:43 pm

    There is no such thing as “feeling” male or female. What we are talking about is gender role conformity. So if you don’t feel like the role that is pounded into culture day in and day out, it means you feel like yourself. And I am sure these men lie to the therapists to get SRS, and there are loads of sites out there “coaching” prospective trans on how to do this. See Dirt’s blog for the game plan.

    The female “role” is imposed on women by patriarchy, and has only changed and backed off because of women’s liberationist activism worldwide. It’s why women have more choices now to do things that were supposedly “male only” in 1910. Women didn’t butcher their bodies to become police officers or lawyers, they fought in the courts to end discrimination against women. Trans-MAABS see women as a role, that they can co-opt and medically “change” themselves into. They imagine — the patriarchal fantasy of what they “think” women are— the female gender role, and want to immitate how this “looks” in the world.

    As a lesbian, I had no sexual interest in men, so naturally, I didn’t have to do anything to “attract” them. I could be whatever weight I wanted to be, I could wear any clothes I wanted to wear, and I could do so-called “male jobs” to make a higher income…. again, this was never a barrier in attracting the people I wanted to attract… i.e. other lesbians. And lately bi-sexual women have kind of come on the scene… so who knows what’s up with that.

    If you were male biologically, you remain this way. No one would say someone on LSD is fully present, so maybe the recreational drug aspect of hormones that the MAABs take to immitate what they think “female” is is a kind of fetish feeling. It’s why many trans I met are into BDSM… or they were lesbians who wanted to have gay male sex… I kid you not, I know people IRL who do this, write proudly about it. So it’s all a grand medical delusion created by the male medical model. And men lie about everything… Julian Assange, any rapist on the football team. They lie to psychiatrists to get the SRS, and create web sites to help other men to lie as well.


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