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April 13, 2011

You cant make this shit up.

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from here.

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  1. April 13, 2011 3:55 am

    also on the broader topic of what’s wrong with funfeminsm, I have a new post up here

    http://fabmatters.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/the-problem-with-funfeminism/

  2. Loup-loup garou permalink
    April 13, 2011 6:50 am

    If I weren’t a former feministing reader, I’d think that that post, not to mention the entire comment thread, was the work of a moderately sophisticated troll.

    It’s hard to know where to begin, but this line may be nastiest chunk of ???!?!??!??!?!!!!!? in that entire toxic stew: “People who do not fit into the box of ‘woman’ have abortions.” Note the thinly disguised contempt behind the suggestion that the word ‘woman’ is some sort of limited, and limiting, semantic ‘box,’ rather than a biological category to which half the human race belongs.

    Also, box? OMFG.

    Planned Parenthood was nearly defunded last week, but let’s not talk about how this affects women. Let’s focus on what’s really important: not offending the sensibilities of uterus-having, pregnant-getting people who don’t “fit into the box of ‘woman.'” Maybe they played football back when they didn’t fit into the box of “girl.” Maybe they identified strongly with Boy George, who the hell knows. But they’re the ones the people in the woman boxes, or the women with the boxes, or the men fitting into the… anyway, they’re the ones we should all be thinking about. If it bothers you that John Boehner seems to believe that you and everyone else in the woman box should be barefoot and pregnant, your woman b– I mean CIS PRIVILEGE — is showing.

  3. April 13, 2011 7:43 am

    Exactly loup, you got it in one.

    “People who do not fit into the box of ‘woman’ have abortions.” Note the thinly disguised contempt behind the suggestion that the word ‘woman’ is some sort of limited, and limiting, semantic ‘box,’ rather than a biological category to which half the human race belongs.

    Also, box? OMFG.

    When it comes down it that’s what trans activists want. They want “woman” to stand for a mere semantic place-holder and nothing more. Ages ago some mansplainer told me over at fab matters that my “mental model” of woman was flawed, because it did not include transwomen. Mental model? Sorry, but woman is not an abstraction. It’s a concrete reality, for half the world’s population no less.

    The transactivists and co are hell bent on decoupling the word “woman” from that concrete reality. Not only is it contemptuous, the end result: the word “woman” becomes completely de-politicized. Well, gee. Who might that serve under the patriarchy, I wonder?

    Trans is the biggest fucking derail of modern feminism. As you point out, instead of discussing the increasing erosion of women’s abortion rights, the funfems are going around in circles with this trans nonsense. Likewise, who might that be serving under the patriarchy, I wonder?

  4. April 13, 2011 9:54 am

    Lori was also the woman who posted that fucking whine-fest about how feminists are killing prostitutes with our words. Its a clear ideological mess of subjectivity that woman’s mind is wrapped up in.

  5. April 13, 2011 10:11 am

    haha! You’re right. Thanks for pointing it out.

    I suspect scumorama might end up having an ongoing relationship with Lori.

  6. April 13, 2011 10:28 am

    Loup-loup Garou, I salute your ability to write coherently, let alone eloquently, about this. I’m pretty sure my brain just…puked.

    The human capacity for self-delusion is surely the most destructive force on earth.

  7. April 13, 2011 11:55 am

    yes, what lou-lou said. this is the kind of olympic-grade triple-back reverse doublethink that makes my brain throb. its throbbing! thanks feministing. and i couldnt even fathom what the hell they were talking about, i assumed that “abortion is a mens issue toooooo” because men want a say it in or something?? but NO! its even more fucked up that that! yay!

    from the link:

    how to be a trans ally, and how to make sure that the reproductive justice movement is putting forth a comprehensive agenda that includes trans issues.

    whaaa? okay, first of all…men and women who have mutilated thier genitals (or internal reproductive organs in the case of transmen) are NO LONGER REPRODUCTIVELY VIABLE. transwomen love to say that they visit the ob-gyn and have pap smears and whatnot…but guess what? gynocologists are also OBSTETRICIANS and obstetrics doesnt apply to fucking transwomen, because they arent women. maintaining a fake fuckhole, including going through sadistic and fetishizing medical rituals has nothing to do with “reproduction.”

    next:

    Gender is this thing that we construct out of a million different characteristics. The way we hold our hands. The length of our hair. The shape of our face. What we wear. Our voices. But then, for some reason, when we got to the question of what is it really, we go to what lives between your legs. Even though that’s not how we make gender and that’s not how gender works. It’s in that assumption that gender lives in our crotches, that we end up erasing the reality that men can have abortions, men can get pregnant and give birth.

    this kind of thing just makes me laugh. it would make sense (kind of) if they started out saying “okay peeps we all know that sex and gender are different right? in the case of transmen, who are male-gendered but female-sexed…” but NO! they dont say that. they SAY they believe that sex and gender are different, but they dont act like they believe that, at all. they act as if sex and gender are the same. but then when they make assertions like this, where MEN can give birth, MEN with inverted penises are going to the OB, it becomes more and more clear that they are trying to assert that SEX doesnt exist at all, and gender is the only thing they are talking about.

    we are living in a post-feminist as well as a post-biological-sex world. so tell me funfems: whats that little pill you are popping every day actually for?

  8. FAB Libber permalink
    April 13, 2011 12:34 pm

    The transactivists and co are hell bent on decoupling the word “woman” from that concrete reality. Not only is it contemptuous, the end result: the word “woman” becomes completely de-politicized. Well, gee. Who might that serve under the patriarchy, I wonder?

    Yes, that has definitely been the most damaging aspect, and it has allowed the attack on FAB-only services like rape crisis and refuges.

    As FCM says, there is a triple-backflip of logic going on, biological sex are two different things, then constantly trying to erase biological sex out of the equation whilst at the same time trying to mimic it. At the end of the day, gender is supposed to trump biological sex, except in this quadruple-backflip from feministing where it sort of doesn’t, but it does, but it doesn’t, but it does…

    A satire of feminism. Has Feministing become feminism’s version of The Onion?

    Also, box? OMFG.
    LOL. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad…

  9. April 13, 2011 12:49 pm

    They clearly dont understand the difference between sex and gender anyway

    Gender is this thing that we construct out of a million different characteristics. The way we hold our hands. The length of our hair. The shape of our face. What we wear. Our voices.

    Face shape patterns in men and women are biological. It’s sex, not gender.

  10. FAB Libber permalink
    April 13, 2011 4:53 pm

    Isn’t the “length of our hair” something that can be altered by a quick trip to the hairdressers?
    Or is that some kind of innate consequence coming from Lady Bwains™? Coz Enquiring Minds just gotta know!

    And is “the way we hold our hands” meant to be one’s own hands, or holding hands with other people? I might just get a Lady-Fail on this one, because I must have been snoozing during the hand-holding classes.

    That bit about jender reads like some sort of Mills & Boon guide. So terribly ‘dainty’ and all.
    ROTFLMAO

  11. April 13, 2011 5:58 pm

    “AD” is what got me. LOLOLOLOLOLOL

    “Trans is the biggest fucking derail of modern feminism.” Agreed, a deliberate boulder set upon the track.

    “they SAY they believe that sex and gender are different, but they dont act like they believe that, at all. they act as if sex and gender are the same. but then when they make assertions like this, where MEN can give birth, MEN with inverted penises are going to the OB, it becomes more and more clear that they are trying to assert that SEX doesnt exist at all, and gender is the only thing they are talking about.”
    It’s the fantasy language of religion, cultic double-speak designed to maintain a reality understood only by it’s adherents.

    “…is “the way we hold our hands” meant to be one’s own hands, or holding hands with other people? I might just get a Lady-Fail on this one, because I must have been snoozing during the hand-holding classes.”
    They mean the limpwristed minstrelized “femininity” adopted by women-hating males who try to act out “female”.

  12. April 13, 2011 6:00 pm

    “Face shape patterns in men and women are biological. It’s sex, not gender.”
    That’s what FFS is for dahling… it USED to be biology, but now with technology it’s “Gender”.

  13. April 13, 2011 6:05 pm

    Lishra also has a great post up about this.

    Because gender is so obviously a mess for them, another tactic that some trans are working very hard on is to say that “sex” is in the brain and while there is some correlation between the “sex” of the brain and the biological componentry of “male” and “female” (dicks ‘n clits), it doesn’t matter because those things can be rearranged. In that frame, abortions are just something that creatures with wombs have, who may or may not have “female” brains.

  14. yttik permalink
    April 13, 2011 7:35 pm

    OMFG! I read that article and I don’t know whether to point and laugh or sit down and cry. Surely that’s satire??!

    I’ve never known any FtM trans people that wanted to dominate feminist spaces or felt excluded because the word “woman” was used. It may just be my limited experience, but it has only been MtF trans people that have whined because things like abortion or tampons make them feel left out.

    I’m curious about what other people have to say about this? I’ve known some very butched out women and a couple of women that live completely as males and they’ve never shown the least bit of interest in co-opting things like abortion or women’s spaces. One woman I know, politely drives her girlfriend to meetings and things, but waits outside because she doesn’t view herself as a part of a feminist space.

  15. Sargasso Sea permalink
    April 13, 2011 7:39 pm

    […] abortions are just something that creatures with wombs have, who may or may not have “female” brains.

    Feminism’s Master Plan revealed!

    Males will all have laydee brainz and females will all have man brainz.

    The Laydee Brainz will rule the world! Mission accomplished!!1!

    (meanwhile, back at the ranch, *men* are doing all the work)

  16. April 13, 2011 7:39 pm

    There are trolls on SocImages who are supposedly F2T who complain bitterly in just this way from time to time. They brag about their mancunt and charming things like that.

  17. April 13, 2011 7:42 pm

    Yes, s4, no need for rights for teh wimminz, itz all fixed!!

  18. Loup-loup garou permalink
    April 13, 2011 10:04 pm

    Speaking of the way we hold our hands — when I was oh, fourteen or so, it was brought to my attention that several of my hand gestures were too dude-like. So I carefully modified them, not because I believed there was such a thing as an inherently masculine way of holding one’s hands, but so as to avoid jender-related harassment. (*Tips hat to UCP for “jender.”*) It didn’t completely do the trick, but at least I knew to look at my nails with my palm facing down when asked to do so — a completely unnatural gesture for me, btw, along with a lot of others I adopted as a survival strategy. I was kind of hoping that by 2011, no one would have to think about this crap anymore.

    Jim and Michelle Duggar should consider naming their next child Jender. That would be perfect on so many levels. If it’s a girl, Jender Jeraldine, if it’s a boy, Jender Jebediah.

  19. April 14, 2011 4:31 am

    @noan Because gender is so obviously a mess for them, another tactic that some trans are working very hard on is to say that “sex” is in the brain and while there is some correlation between the “sex” of the brain and the biological componentry of “male” and “female” (dicks ‘n clits), it doesn’t matter because those things can be rearranged.

    This reminds me very much of this quote from mansplaining/transplaining

    “This kind of oppressive Feminism is very Male-Mindedly Chauvinistic, albeit with Vagina’s involved instead, and who knows how many of them in fact have MALE Brain Gender Identities but are oblivious to it.”
    ~ Stephanie Daniella Young-Yue

    if the idea of “brain sex” took off it would be a very convenient little tool for the transactivists (and therefore the big P.) Us nasty feminists who they disagree with must have MALE BRAINS. Which means we have male privilege, which means we have no business leading feminism. Come on girls, I mean, guys! It’s time for us to step aside and let those male-bodied people with female brains take over feminism. They know more about being female than we ever could, what with our “Vagina’s” (sic) and all.

    what a load of shit.

    And that bit about having a male “gender identity” but being oblivious to it makes me laugh. In order to have a “gender identity”, one must identify with a gender. You cant both identify with a gender, and be oblivious to it at the same time.

    PICK ONE, IDIOTS.

    Seriously. Did Lewis Carroll write the manual on trans activism?

  20. FAB Libber permalink
    April 14, 2011 8:03 am

    Spot on Miska.
    Absolutely everything they say falls into two categories (primarily the first):
    Contradiction, and Reversal.

    They cannot help themselves with the reversals, it’s a very patriarchy thing to do.

  21. April 14, 2011 5:01 pm

    If I were first being exposed to feminist thinking and this was what I found, there’s no way I would want to join the movement. It makes no sense!

    I am not concerned about “how to make sure that the reproductive justice movement is putting forth a comprehensive agenda that includes trans issues. ”

    What a waste of energy.

    Thanks for sharing.

  22. April 15, 2011 8:04 am

    “Has Feministing become feminism’s version of The Onion?”

    HAHA! I only found that feministing website yesterday, but I think this description nails what I saw there

  23. Laur permalink
    April 18, 2011 1:56 am

    THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!!! I wish it were, but this kind of crap is ALL OVER the third wave/queer blogosphere. I JUST saw something like this posted by one of my college peers. OMFG. Sick.

  24. April 19, 2011 2:09 am

    I tweeted something about this today, along the lines of it being shocking that feminists would say that abortion is not a women’s issue. Someone responded with “shouldn’t be. not just cisgendered women have abortions. trans men, intersexed, two spirit, etc. Exclusion of them is wrong”

    Ok ok, let me see if I understand the underlying logic of this whole trans line of thinking: sex is what we choose for ourselves and it’s gender that’s assigned at birth. Or, err, wait, is it that there is no such thing as sex, there is only gender? The other way around? No no no, both gender and sex are biologically determined and cultural conditioning has nothing to do with anything, but sex can be changed to be whatever and gender can’t because you’re born with it. That’s it. I think. Is that right?

    Aw shit, I give up. You wacky fringe-dwelling radfems had me lurking and inclined toward your point of view a few months ago, largely via the Twisty transwars (oops, trans wars), but it took this bit of malarchy to finally seal the deal. Radical feminism is the only thing in my world that makes any sense any more. Thanks for being here and helping me see the light. I look forward to elementarily writing about this stuff on my blog soon, but I find myself a little frightened to open myself up to name-calling and threatening vitriol from both dudes and feminists. I will though, just gotta get a little more confident in my viewpoint first.

  25. April 19, 2011 6:13 am

    Welcome to the dark side, ha. It looks like a few women made the jump after the whole trans thing at ibtp. If you start writing trans-critical stuff you probably will cop some shit for it, especially if your existing blog audience isnt radical. Once people work out that they arent going to change your mind though they tend not to bother commenting. There are a lot more women critiquing trans politics now than there was a couple of years ago, so you’re pretty much guaranteed support. I like your summary of trans logic btw:

    “No no no, both gender and sex are biologically determined and cultural conditioning has nothing to do with anything, but sex can be changed to be whatever and gender can’t because you’re born with it. ”

    Haha. Truth.

  26. FAB Libber permalink
    April 19, 2011 9:06 am

    but sex can be changed to be whatever and gender can’t because you’re born with it

    Is a classic example of reversals going on.

    Tranz logic is that sex is mutable, gender is immutable, even though gender (as in the roles and prescribed behaviour assigned to the biological sexes) is the made-up stuff of fairytales, and therefore a changeable element, and biological sex is just a biological fact – and biological sex is not changed as such (SRS), just visually approximated.

    You could actually liken tranz hormone therapies to hair colouring. If you are blonde and dye your hair brunette, you may appear to be a brunette, but stop dying your hair and the natural (biological and chromosomally determined) hair colour reasserts itself. Same deal if you stop taking those sex hormones, because every cell in your body is coded either XX or XY, and your body will revert to form (degree of reverting depends on whether gonads have been removed etc).

  27. April 19, 2011 9:56 am

    and another radical feminist is born. HA! they really are their own worst enemies arent they? the more they talk, the less sense they make. anyone who is paying attention will see this. and YES, there was like NO trans-critical blogging happening 2 years ago and now its all over the fucking place. which is a WIN. someone told me when i first started that the trans and fun-fems were only commenting on my blog bc i was new, and they still thought i could be convinced. well. 2 years later, and as miska says, they have pretty much given up on me.

    and that abortion article on feministing has been roundly criticized. i saw someone linking to (and ridiculing) it from OUTSIDE the radfem blogs…it was pretty gratifying. and they included a mini-bio of “lori” and said she has her BA in gender studies from harvard?? oy! this is what education looks like these days?! horrifying!

  28. April 19, 2011 4:05 pm

    Perfect summary, Dizzy. Do include that description when you start blogging about this! You’ll be in excellent company when you do start blogging about it and you may get some commentary from the usual trolling thugs, but they go away quickly if you ignore them.

  29. April 19, 2011 8:33 pm

    Actually, in addition to the whole concept of abortion being a man’s issue too, the comment thread on that abortion post contained several examples of things happening in the mainstream fem blogosphere that don’t sit right with me at all.

    One commenter, a trans-ally, gently commented that taking the focus off of women might not be productive given that women are the ones predominantly getting abortions (duh), and that anti-abortion politics target women because they are women. She was immediately accused of not really being an ally to trans, a cissexist, an idiot, and “willing to maintain inequality for personal gain”.

    That kind of attack, on a supposedly woman-friendly website, against a feminist making some pretty obvious statements – well, it makes me sick to my stomach. I used to get sick reading the awful shit that MRAs throw at feminists until I just stopped reading it. Now it’s happening from the inside and no one there is doing anything about it. Of all the trans attacks on feminists I’ve read in blog comments and twitter feeds, rarely have I seen someone brave enough to stand up and say “that’s enough, you’re being a bully”. And, if on rare occasion someone does, accusations of transphobia and cis privilege start flying around wily-nily and the comments get shut down.

    The other bit that irks me is this: “One cannot confront any issue of social inequality without examining and fighting against all issues of social inequality.” Which, 1) is way too huge to be effective and will get us exactly nowhere and 2) isn’t applied to any group other than feminists.

    I know you all have all written about these things before in much more articulate and informed ways, but I just wanted to cite that abortion post and its comments as an excellent example of why feminists are slowly and maybe silently radicalizing. I was never a porn-lovin sex-poz funfem, but I also kept mostly my mouth shut when it came to the stuff that didn’t sit well with me because I was scared. No more of that, yeehaw!

  30. October 2, 2011 1:31 am

    Well, I am done with Feministing, now. Done.

  31. Mystery Radfem permalink
    January 16, 2012 8:04 pm

    I am so glad I found you wonderful radfems. I learned all about trans people and tried my best to be loving and not step on anyone’s toes, I started identifying as “genderqueer”, but after a while I started to feel that something about trans ideology was fucked up, I wholly believed that gender was and is purely socially conditioned but so many trans people were enforcing gender roles and I knew that that was fundamentally anti-feminist, so I found myself reading radical feminist blog posts about transgenderism and found that so many of them clearly articulated why and how trans identity politics were infact incredibly misogynistic. No-one “feels” or “chooses” or has some innate gender. If only I could transition from a woman to a human being. Thank you so much.

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